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Posted: 2008-01-13, 15:05   ot4e - uralis

Here you should set up your game. Player listed as first should host the game. Time to play: till Tuesday 22st January (inclusive).

After played game place here info who won.


Good luck!
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Posted: 2008-01-16, 22:53   

We played in 2 sessions. I picked Ghengis and Ural was Shaka.
Ural surrendered around 160th turn after losing his front city and being outscored hardly.

Good game! I will write more comments later because i am tired.

Here you can find autosave pack:
Session1
Session2

My password was '35'.
And '4422' was Uralis's one.

Thnx Leshek for your CUP! Hope you will invite our members in further competitions. Great job!

And here is the final save.

Genghis Khan AD-1010.rar
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Posted: 2008-01-17, 00:27   

Gratki OT4E :wiwat:
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Posted: 2008-01-17, 10:11   

Gratki ot4e! I knew you will win from the moment when I lost my game with you ;) Just joking, great job and congratulations.

So, our tourney is coming to an end. I will send prizes to both of you, then only game will left - to decide who will be third in our tourney.

Congratulations again! :wiwat: :hurra:
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Posted: 2008-01-17, 12:18   

So here I will try to translate my report from our forum.

Why do I pick Ghengis?

285point lock us between very strong limits. Usually people pick 2 cities and waste their other points on something useless like 2 warriors.
The advantage of Ghengis is that you earn 34 points from settler instead of city first of all. You also can wait a bit and place it more precious after you scout area.
Most of times i pick
1 city=100points(have to take it)
1 settler=66
1 worker=60
1 barracks=25
1 population=33
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summary=284points
Starting with technologies: The Wheel and Hunting
Well, Hunting is pathetic tech, but the Wheel is one of the most important early techs. You cant skip it, it makes you worker busy all the time. If you start without the Wheel you have to learn it before Animal Husbandry or even Bronse working, because the Empier cannot leave without roads. Most agg-civs start with Hunting excluding Babylon and Japan.

I have convinced in the necessity of agg-leader foru sure, because you start strongly because of cheap barracks, warriors with special promotion and free star. These warriors easily take out archers at the flatland and can survive malinise skirmishers if it is required.

Imperialistic is good for fast 2nd settler, which is completed few turns after Bronse Working.
This trait gives me opportunity to hook cooper very fast. Generals are also very useful in combat.

Starting screenshot:
Ukryta Wiadomość:
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I was in hard thoughts with starting position and it seemed same for Uralis. First of all there are pigs, but the place around it was awesome. Despite of forests for early expansion ot could bring only 2 coins of profit from oasis. And including the fact that it demanded culture expansion which is allmost impossible early game unless you waste early points on it.
And my expirience told me that I would need maximum coin output from first cities to support the expansion. I mostly never build cottages without rivers because early these tiles do not pay off much time.

But after the precious view I've noticed at least 3 more flood plains right after the river. The city near the fish wants to be placed but it doesnt have fresh water source. And it is a suicide to build city near floods with no water, forests, without plently of food/health resourses. Then I used Sid's advice and placed city 1 tile away from the coast. This made me to place second city near the water to hook fish. And I founded it on the bananas.
As allways I picked barracks and put 1 extra citizen in Karakorum.
Как обычно я взял казарму и рост, поэтому строил сразу воинов с прокачкой, хоть и достаточно медленно, так как производства особо не было.

Here is my start position after points are spend:
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And here is Uralis's one:
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He picked 2 cities, worker, and expanded culture in his 2nd pig/oasis city

I started with Fishing, because it is very comfort ot build fishing boats in first 10-20 turns because you dont need anything at this game stage. You just need to support your growth.
My capital had grown to 4. This is one of my concepts. My capital can hurry settler and/or worker(most time you have prebuild for both) right after revealing Cooper. ANd in the addition to this these workers can start roading metal if it is in the middle or somewhere else. By the way warriors with promotion work in the middle and can fortify on your or your opponents metal early to keep it and keep yor opponent away from it. This issue made me win in game with Fox.
Then I've learned Mining and Bronse Working. There were no hills for mines around me.

This time I couldnt find early cooper, that's why my warriors walked to Uralis after having whole middlemap searched. He had more quintites, but after some good movements I could get into his land and fortified there.

I started learing Pottery before Animal Husbandry. First I wasnt tied to the pigs, I didnt even hook them untill 150th turn. Second It smelled like the Iron, so it had be researched despite of avaliability of horses. Uralis could get horses earlier but having no starting Wheel he couldnt hook them very early and I would have enouph time to react.
Potter made me lead by tech whole first part of our game.

Here is my territory at 35-th turn and what I've seen at Uraliss'
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I've seen the following: fish wasnt worked, cottages havent been building. Uralis also teched Archery and founded his 3rd city, one more city without cimmerce.

Here is Uralis's view:
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He has just researched Pottery, but it takes a while to work flood plains.

I sent my settler up to check my luck. It would be more trully to say that I'd send it to help my warrior to explore that huge region. Metal or Horses could be quite near to the starting position. 3 turn before I'd researched Iron Working my warrior and settler found cooper, which was at the middle of the other part of front, more distant front(2 tiles between mirrored cooper). I was ready to settle and hook both but had to wait for Iron because it could be near and make my cooper rush useless. That city was going to strike my science so I was going to settle only if it was the only source of metal at the whole map.

Iron was near to the cap, so I had no chance to lock my opponent and cut him away from it. And I had to withdraw my settler back to settle more compactly. I was checking Uralis's Iron each turn and he teched it about 12 turns later and worked about 20 turns after me.
I checked this tile with my mouse(issue) and it shows if explored tile is worked or either.

But then I've started making mistakes. Following my natural greed I decided to take both religions. I was sure that Uralis couldnt chase me in this bussiness. And I considered it wise to make him some hardships with cheap cultural expansions.
By the way I was preparing Oracle to take Feudalism. I had nice reasons to do it.
I had good production city with pigs, elephants and some mines. I also chopped some for the Oracle. My science was much ahead of Uralis's one and it was obviously possible to take something worth.
But desperate Uralis seemed to chop everything for the Oracle and hurried it with 2 population. I was 1 turn away from the Writing(allready had Monarchy) and the Oracle was build to 1 turn and the city building it switched to the other production. So I shouldnt go for the 2nd religion and could have Feudalism instead of it. Ural took Monarchy and removed half of my advantage.

Here is my land at 1400BC
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It is clear that I expanded very accurately with minimal harm to my reasearch. I also cottages everything I could.
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Uralis's science was at least 2 times worse than mine because of more cities(1 more than me) and fewer cottages.

Despite of fewer cities I lead in demography by mostly all parameters, excluding territory because I've expanded later and narrowly:
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But I couldnt wait with further expansion, because I felt Uralis could start fortifying in the middle any time. That's why I moved settlers and workers there without having some zulu archers removed from the sight range. Mathematics was coming and I've aimed the place for my Stone-bomb. So I try to chop Stonehenge in my forward front city very fast to expand it culture and press Uralis if he was going to reply to my call.

Ukryta Wiadomość:
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Several turns later the Stonehendge was ready and it gave me serious advantge in the middle of the map.

But I've made my frequent fault, started teching Construction instead of Currency. There was no need in construction at that stage. Fast and vast expansion freezed my science at 10% level, despite of my total cottagisation. At my second city from front I've founded Great Wall, because there was absolutely nothing to chop in front and was no way to build it manually. In general I hoped that Uralis could take Wall and help me in my financial problem :hyhy: , so I could finish my Currency. But anyway Great Wall is an important wonder and applying with imperialistic you recieve 4 general points for each expirience point aquired at your territory(that's an issue).

By the way Uralis hurried his Great Person and run his Golden Age, which used to tech up to Feudalism. Up to that moment I only finished my Currency, but had only half of Construction and no sign of Horseback Riding(for Elephants). Uralis had both techas and longbows. I had sweety hill road to my front city for them.

So I had to slave swords and axemen to hold the tie. I decided to fortify everywhere it is possible to. I had 1 group fortified far in his forest. But unfortunate to me Uralis took them out using catas without meaning losses. But the exchange was at least fair as I'd expected.
Then I started taking heights and put small groups at each hill in the way it was not very tempting for catas, but could defeat some different units. So I didnt allow Uralis to get in my land and gave him some extra generals as well, because attacking gives more score and my Great Wall didnt work because of obvious reasons.

Here is my land after we've finished our first session. I also had Great Spy borned. I was teching Music, and it was coming in a few turns.
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Uralis's land and units:
Ukryta Wiadomość:
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Demographics:
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It is clear that there is some kind of balance at gnp, mfg, food, power. I've caught his temps and stand it. I had Aestetics, Literature and Music(allmost). Uralis had Feudalism, Sailing and Calendar(same allmost). But I had to run Golden age to take the lead. But the Great Spy is too high payment for it. But my next specialis was coming in at least 30 turns, but... Yes i've decided to use an Artist from the Music on the Golden Age. I had allready had an advantage in the territory. I had stone-bomb in the front and well-worked backwards. Uralis started to work the place around elephants very recently and I had something like production center there. And there also 65 turns to play, even more than enouph time to expand to the other side and spread my culture as much there as i could only need. And I must also notice that Great Artist gives you only 60% culture rate at normal speed (80% at quick speed), which is really not much because you need only 500 culture points to reach it, instead of 4000.
So with this idea I came after the break. Great Spy is very usefull. The fact I saw all enemy cities was the half of my victory. I saw allmost everything.

I learned the Code of Laws, Civil Service, adopted it without revolution and got Alphabet with in the last turn during the Golden Age.
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By the way I had to slave hard, because Uralis was rising his forces at my borders especially Longbowmen I was scared with, because the could fortify at my hills and clear the way for catas. For this reason I lost a lot of score, but continued expanding. I started teching Metal casting and Machinery, but lowered my science to expand more and more.
I founded some back cities includin pig city, southern wood city and notherncity near sheeps. And after that I'd started roading and founding second front city at the upper isthmus.

On the southern fronts I had enouph catas to feel safety taking in account additional Uralis' promotions. I saw he had added his 2 generals to the Elephants and send them to the North with the stack of impi. I also sent my general there expecting it to come at the same time to guide my other force. But Ive forgotten to give him extra movement promotion(morale) and got myself disguised. I upgraded 2 axemen to the maces but lacked 1 unit to defent that cty. I could bring more easily but really forgotten about the danger. Well that city was the size of 2 and didnt really do any sense in the game because I was about 400 points ahead.

Then I upgraded some swords and started bashing Uralis's longbowmen.
I missed timer and didnt promote all units and Uralis could beat a lot, but it seemed that he had also missed timer and didnt do a lot of harm. Next turn he has lost his fron city with all him force and conceeded.

Final screenshots and demographics:
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I stole Feudalism, Calendar and Monoteism with spies and could steal more unless Uralis had nothing more. So spies and espesially Great Spies are very nice.

Нere is the trick to produce gold(gold chopping):

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Uralis stack which killed my city:
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  Posted: 2008-01-17, 12:22   

Gratulacje i gorące owacje OT4E!/ поздравления OT4E!!!/ Congratulations and standing ovations!!! :hurra:

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Congratulation ot4e! :wiwat:
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Posted: 2008-01-17, 12:26   

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Posted: 2008-01-17, 12:32   

Congratulations ot4e!!!

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Posted: 2008-01-17, 13:23   

What a superb description! I've read carefully each sentence :) really great players, great game and great description. Thanks a lot ot4e for those screenshots and explanations! :wiwat:
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Posted: 2008-01-17, 14:01   

Thnx guys! I dont know if i add screenshots right here, because it seems to me that there is no "cut" function. But if there is please correct me.

Here is the mine feature. How to know if the improvement is build.
May be it is well-known bug.


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congrats OT4E :padam:
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