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Posted: 2010-12-15, 03:23   OT4E-Ntenistromeros[END]

Tu się chłopaki umawiajcie na mecz. Gracz wymieniony jako pierwszy powinien być gospodarzem gry. Czas na rozegranie gry: do niedzieli 19 grudnia włącznie.

Po rozegranej grze tutaj umieśćcie informację o wyniku. Gra może ale nie musi być zaliczona do rankingu - domyślnie nie jest, bo mamy graczy zagranicznych.

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Here you should set up your game. Player listed as first should host the game. Time to play: till 19th December (inclusive).

After played game place here info who won
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Posted: 2010-12-15, 10:44   

Tutaj chyba też coś nie zakontaktowałeś ;) popraw zanim się nasz zagraniczny kolega obrazi :)
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Posted: 2010-12-15, 12:10   

:| wats up? I'm not in this round :zawstydzony:
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Posted: 2010-12-15, 12:11   

You're here ;)

wnuczus made a mistake... another :[
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Posted: 2010-12-15, 12:25   

Sorry, misunderstood your post: / corrected
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Posted: 2010-12-20, 12:28   

Hello, How is problem here?
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Posted: 2010-12-20, 12:31   

I made a decision to extend the deadline until 09-01-2011
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Posted: 2011-01-08, 12:32   

Najwyżej będzie podwójna dyskwalifikacja. Nie będę się przejmował
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Posted: 2011-01-08, 14:14   

Hey! we are allright. ntenisromeros is ready to conceed since he has great technology disadvantage, but we will try to play it a bit on today or tomorrow. Otherwise and/or if he will be unavaliable you can count it over.

I will describe the game a bit.

ntenisromeros has picked Khmer against my Rome (JC). And since Leszek's maps has no food I consider you should ban Khmers in such tournaments because of their completely overpowered building :P
Returning to the game, I tried to plant at the middle early to hook resourses. I didnt see cooper which was allmost in the corner of the map but quite close to the capital though. And northern(furthest) horses were surrounded by very poor land. So I used my chance to block the closest middle and hook both which were on adjacent tiles. Ntenisromeros didnt try to annoy me with his creative advantage, but planted cooper very early. I have to admit that cre trait was great on that map because I had to plant much worse cities.
So during that part of the game I had to decide the following problems:
1) My front was very dangereous and i had to defend it
2) I had to care about my economy since because of early far city

I had to hook cooper as fast as possible so I couldnt afford to wait for cultural expansion to hook deers also as he had done. So to be honest that city had the only valuable tile, the one with the metal and 2 flood plains after cultural expansion.
To solve the problem №2 I hooked gold resouse which was allocated in the middle and worked it with that city. So I got even an advantage in tech while ntenisromeros was trying to grow up some cottages with his better cities. Yes his cities were better and had better input into the future but I had some strategical advantage since I was controlling the middle. I also decided to chop stonehenge there and succeded. In that way I killed 2 rabbits:
- provided good cultural boost to my front
- got some cultural expansion to my other cities.

I also got 2 religions and one appeared in that front city. After all I was first at the Oracle and teched Code of laws which provided double religion to my front. So it became a true cultural bomb. At this moment I have noticed that ntenisromeros has hooked his north horses and was leading in power. I tried to catch up but his power was growing very fast. I started saving gold to upgrade warriors because I didnt know from which side would his stack appear. I was more worrying about my cap which was the first city from the north and made several spears there. I also kept some warriors in both fronts to upgrade. Suprising me his stack appeared at the front city which was very close to 60%(4 turns). He had like 7 axes and 8-10 chars.
I have collected enough spy points to see his tech and I saw that it was very bad. ntenisromeros never tried to go on 0% and then tech up on 100% which to my mind is one of the biggest his mistakes. He was in about 40 turns to tech monarchy.
But the war didnt go in the way I have expected. I hoped he would try my front and lose the game but he pillaged a lot of cottages which I have built around it and was never using. So that was the first investment into ntenisromeros's economy. His stack climbed on the hill beyond my holy city and to be honest he had enough chars to kill one of my back cities but he probably considered it not worth enough. I will try to attach screenshots later but now I will only describe the situation that has happened there.
I have got my 60% and was keeping 3 spears in the city. His stack was fortifying on the hill which wasnt close to any of mine cities but his chars could attack both. I had 2 spears and 6 axes at the hill with goldmine which was located between his stack and my front city. I also had ~6 and 2 spears in my back city. So what did he do?
He moved from the hill back to my front city, losing hill defence bonus and opportunity to attack my back city with chariots.
I attacked him from the hill with 6 axes but won only 1 battle. And it was the stupiedest mistake because I couldnt even bring a single axe to my front city. I also attacked with general later and killed chariot(great achievement :orany: ). So I only left 5 spears to defend the city which he had successfully razed. He had to attack against 60% culture and 25% river bonus, so the only axe could waste his chances, but that was another bigest investment in his economy and the greatest chance for him to win.
So I lost:
- 2 religions (but 1 missionary for confu survived)
- stonehenge
- city with 60% granary, courthouse
- 160 gold for upgrades

At that moment ntenisromeros had enough gold to tech monarchy and adopt it, grew GS for academy and had still better positioned cities since I have lost the most part of my strategical advantage. But he was continued being too agressive and suffered from it or just had not enough luck.

I will continue a bit later and will try to retell full view of this really one of the most dramatic games I have been recently involved in.
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Posted: 2011-01-08, 15:09   

I believe in U OT4E - good luck! :)
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Posted: 2011-01-10, 11:08   

So here is with what we have got up to that stage of the game.
Ntenisromeros:
+ adopted monarchy
+ better core cities
+ academy
+ on the way to horsebackriding
+ horse resourse
- lost more units than me

me:
+ ability to build courthouses (code of laws)
+ some well-promoted units and general units, and small power advantage
- guaranteed prophet as the first GP
- 2/3 of way to monarchy
- no horse

Once I had lost the city my position became much more dangereous. I was lucky to steal ntenisromeros workers which he had taken with him to attack. To be honest he had 90% to take them back or could just delete them turn earlier. But anyway they helped me to make some useless roads and cottages which he could pillage in his next attack.

I found out that I need to counter-attack with my stack. And ntenisromeros gave me such opportunity because he was probably keeping settlers ready to plant but was saving his economy on the minimal level. But after he had got wealth from pillage and city he planted forward to hook his gold. That city was on the flat and didnt even get cultural expansion when I buried it. I moved forward but ntenisromeros other cities were quite far and it could take like 10 turns to reach it. I continued moving but it was clear that I was not going to take anything because he had really much time to prepare. He also got horseback and my army lacked spears. I tried to make it look like I was attacking to make him slave harder while I got some time to restore my expansion. I stopped at the hill and several turns there were silence at the battlefield and we both were moving nowhere. I was waiting for a moment to retreat and ntenisromeros was stacking and waiting for reinforcement. It wasnt big deal to me to plant cities because I was imperialistic. It is only problem for me to build army :-) I replanted my city which was razed, planted in the north, in which direction ntenisromers didnt show any activity after plating his own horses. And generally I planted forward in south on his gold. This city couldnt build lighthouse for the fish but was very good to defend and was hooking gold and 2 food resourses(fish and sheep) from ntenissromeros. I used confucian missionary to expand borders because my stonehenge was no longer existed.
As I stated before I was ready to fall back and I did it too late because ntenisromeros has allready started his attack. He had ~7HA and ~5axes but some of them with shock promotions. But luckily to me he didnt take in account that he needs 3 workers to road desert in one turn. So I could get back in time. At that moment I have realised that in general I have nothing against HA/axe stack. I had to tech iron at the fastest rate because I had allready spent some points in that technology. Unfortunately iron was outside of my cultural boards but fortunately it was existed on that map. I planted city and started building praetorians. Ntenisromeros cut off my front(on his gold) and continued moving inside of my territory, pillaging roads and everything he met on his way. He razed the city I had replanted. Arg, just never replant on the same place... This city was growing slowly because I had wasted all chops on the stonehenge and it position itself wasnt very strong, not comparable to the times it had 60% defence.
On the northern front ntenisromeros rushed me with axe and it happened so that I couldnt build anything except axe and a spear to meet him. He had shock promotion but was a bit wounded against me having no fortify or cultural bonus. But that time I got luck and the city survived. He had 58% and 50% but lost both.
On the southern battlefields ntenisromeros was heading forward to one of my most important cities in which I was growing sciencist but couldnt finish it in time. There were 40% of culture and some praetorians ready. I moved army from the front back but i had only 1 worker there to road so it was impossible to catch him. Stupied thing but I have deleted on of my own workers in the front. I chopped the forest and grek could take it with chariot. He didnt have it in the sight range but he could probably notice that forest dissapear and get that I had nothing extra to cover it. But he didnt even check it.

Ntenisromeros understood that he was not going to take good city with 40% and went forward. He successfully razed my iron city but he had to make some not good exchanges for him. So he had found nothing better than to disband the rest of his wounded forces to prevent me from getting another general.
Conclusing the result of that attack I consider that this attack wasnt worth since my settlers were not very expensive and I didnt lost much units. All the gold ntenisromeros pillage he wasted on his armymaintance. And I had more than enough workers to restore my infrastruckture. But while I was moving back to my front I was very greed and did great one more great mistake. There was a path of neutral territory between my front and my back cities since my damn replanted city was razed again. And I considered it useful to heal at the back territory and wait till the road to the front get ready. It could be even good idea but I wasnt really enfasting that road and was busy restoring improvements and building stupied cottages again.
We are not looking for easy paths thats all what I can say. But to my fortune I have suddenly decided to check the road connecting my front and ntenisromeros. I did it at the end of turn when I had mostly nothing to move in. To be honest some of my units had moves but the road was done indirectly and the city was unreachable to them. And the workers that turn were very busy to finish cottage which was started some hundreds years ago. The only thing I could do was to pillage road diagonally to my city with general. Using this road ntenisromeros could attack it from the darkness. Fortunately he didnt have extra workers there because there were only 3 spears against ~10 ha's. Next turn there were 5 spears and ntenisromeros decided to retreat. At the same time he perfomed attack from the other side. May be I was lucky again, but to be honest he didnt have enough.
After this game turned into the static phase. No more attacks were done. I was fortifying my both fronts with praetorians. Due to some reason ntenisromeros's science was very bad and considering the fact that I had free code of laws I was very first at the Civil Service. I didnt have any food advantage but org trait and some courthouses gave me opportunity to leave ntenisromeros back in tech by a lot. I teched construction to be able to attack his stack on my land mostly because I was not going to be able to attack on his land soon. I also finished hanging gardens. That's a mistake of ntenisromeros that he didnt get it much earlier since had stone around his nothern front and I did not. I mean I didnt have any city around the stone. I had much small cities at that time and HG gave them significal boost and +1 pop to the cap's size is uncoverable with anything. Same with health boost especially taking in account that I was not expansive and had no rice, which was also positioned around nothern horse/stone place. I build some monastaries in cap and used prophet to get golden age. Well, this race was lost by ntenisromeros. I saw him jumping from one tech to another without having a clear strategy. So at the end of our last session I had advantage in machinery, engineering, alphabet, calendar, music and many other tech. So ntenisromeros was ready to conceed but he was willing to know what exactly can happen and how will I deal with his ha/cata stack. Unfortunately it was very late to continue and we couldnt find any other time to finish this game.

I will attach savegame and some screenshots later.

Thnx ntenisromeros, you have taught me a lot.

GG
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Posted: 2011-01-10, 12:33   

Nice game. My question is, when you finish?
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Posted: 2011-01-10, 13:15   

wnuczus wrote:
Nice game. My question is, when you finish?

Count it over. We may be just play for fun.
Here are savegames. I have no pw.

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Posted: 2011-01-10, 14:28   

Here is my reproduction of the battles for those, who are interested. And some screenpack.




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Posted: 2011-01-10, 19:49   

classic :)
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